Andrew,
Sorry, I do not consider your proposal to be a valid GML "profile", but to be a
suggested change to, and extension of, GML. I thus recommend preparing a
formal change request, to change the document wording as needed.
For example, Clause 16.4.9 of GML 3.2.1 now contains the statement:
"Elements that instantiates a GML property which refers to, or contains, a
Value or Values;"
I interpret that statement to require that the gml:ValuePropertyType" either
reference or contain a GML encoding of a gml:Value.
Arliss
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From: Woolf, Andrew (STFC,RAL,ESC) [mailto:andrew.woolf@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:12 PM
To: Whiteside, Arliss E (US SSA)
Cc: Ben Domenico; Unidata GALEON; wcs-2.0.swg; Unidata Techies; Carl Reed
Subject: RE: [WCS-2.0.swg] GML coverages / xlink (was: Re: CF-netCDFstandards
initiatives)
In my proposed 'best practice profile' of the use of xlink for referring to
file-based content, I'm suggesting that arcrole define a local XPath to the
location at which the content is to be logically inserted (the child
QuantitytList element in this example).
It's not unusual to use XPointer as a fragment identifier in a URI, so we can
finesse the syntax of doing this. The novelty of this proposed xlink profile is
in interpreting arcrole in this manner. I believe it is perfectly consistent
with the xlink spec (and also with GML).
From: Whiteside, Arliss E (US SSA) [mailto:arliss.whiteside@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 21 August 2009 21:42
To: Woolf, Andrew (STFC,RAL,ESC)
Cc: Ben Domenico; Unidata GALEON; wcs-2.0.swg; Unidata Techies; Carl Reed
Subject: RE: [WCS-2.0.swg] GML coverages / xlink (was: Re: CF-netCDFstandards
initiatives)
Andrew,
Sorry, it is not clear to me what this XML example is intended to show. Is it
intended to show referencing of a CF-netCDF file?
If so, I think the XML fragment
[<valueComponent
xlink:href=http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf/examples/tos_O1_2001-2002.nc#tos]
is NOT correct if the referenced file is not the GML encoding of one of the
four specified gml:Value alternatives. (Notice that the <documentation> of
gml:valueProperty defines it as "Property that refers to, or contains, a
Value.")
Arliss
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From: Woolf, Andrew (STFC,RAL,ESC)
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:29 AM
To: Peter Baumann
Cc: Ben Domenico; Unidata GALEON; wcs-2.0.swg; Unidata Techies; Carl Reed;
Robin,Alexandre
Subject: Re: [WCS-2.0.swg] GML coverages / xlink (was: Re: CF-netCDFstandards
initiatives)
<RectifiedGridCoverage id="tos_O1_2001-2002">
<domainSet>
<RectifiedGrid dimension="3" id="tos_O1_2001-2002.domain">
<limits>
<GridEnvelope>
<low>0 0 0</low>
<high>23 169 179</high>
</GridEnvelope>
</limits>
<axisLabels>x y t</axisLabels>
<origin>
<Point id="tos_O1_2001-2002.domain.origin"
srsName="urn:x-ogc:def:crs:badc:TimeLatLon:2001-01-01:1d">
<pos>-79.5 1 1</pos>
</Point>
</origin>
<offsetVector
srsName="urn:x-ogc:def:crs:badc:TimeLatLon:2001-01-01:1d">1 0 0</offsetVector>
<offsetVector
srsName="urn:x-ogc:def:crs:badc:TimeLatLon:2001-01-01:1d">0 1 0</offsetVector>
<offsetVector
srsName="urn:x-ogc:def:crs:badc:TimeLatLon:2001-01-01:1d">0 0 2</offsetVector>
</RectifiedGrid>
</domainSet>
<rangeSet>
<ValueArray gml:id="tos_O1_2001-2002.range">
<valueComponent
xlink:href="http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf/examples/tos_O1_2001-2002.nc#tos";
xlink:role="urn:mimetype:application/x-netcdf"
xlink:arcrole="QuantityList">
<QuantityList uom="K"/>
</valueComponent>
</ValueArray>
</rangeSet>
</RectifiedGridCoverage>
(The referenced CRS is a composite using a TM_CoordinateSystem
(gml:TimeCoordinateSystem) for time, with origin 2001-01-01 and interval 'one
day'.)
Our current CR 07-112 will enable analogous use of CF-netCDF files using
'auxiliary coordinate variables' for a gml:ReferenceableGrid.
Cheers,
Andrew
From: Peter Baumann [mailto:p.baumann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 20 August 2009 10:50
To: Woolf, Andrew (STFC,RAL,ESC)
Cc: Robin, Alexandre; Max Martinez; Ben Domenico; Unidata Techies; Unidata
GALEON; Carl Reed; wcs-2.0.swg
Subject: GML coverages / xlink (was: Re: [WCS-2.0.swg] CF-netCDF standards
initiatives)
Andrew-
I anyway wanted to contact you on the xlink question.
Your approach as presented at the Boston TC meeting I consider the missing link
for WCS: we consider coverages delivered as a manifest (XML) and one or more
encoded files, referenced from the manifest. It seems like your approach allows
to mimic this in GML. Is that correct?
As we currently are seriously considering adopting GML for the WCS 2.0 coverage
model such a facility is of high importance to us.
-Peter
PS: this might also resolve the dispute of this thread: GML coverages can well
reference a netCDF file then, can't they?
Woolf, Andrew (STFC,RAL,ESC) wrote:
I'd say the same thing about GML - it's already possible to use GML to provide
a canonical encoding linked to an underlying conceptual model AND xlink to
netCDF for the actual content.
Andrew
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Sent: 20 August 2009 09:16
To: Max Martinez; Ben Domenico; Peter Baumann
Cc: Unidata Techies; Unidata GALEON; Carl Reed; wcs-2.0.swg
Subject: Re: [WCS-2.0.swg] CF-netCDF standards initiatives
FYI,
SWE Common can serve to send very efficiently packaged datasets (binary,
compressed binary) just like NetCDF does while providing robust metadata
describing the datasets.
These datasets can be N-D grid coverages, discrete coverages, or any other kind
of sensor observations or model results.
The point for us to build SWE Common rather than just reusing NetCDF was to
support efficient random access in huge datasets and real time streaming data
(which NetCDF is not designed for) with a single model.
Both cases are supported and I am pretty sure we can generate a SWE Common
encoded binary stream that is byte-to-byte compatible with the data section of
a NetCDF file.
Developing a module for the NetCDF API dealing with SWE Common would be quite
trivial thanks to the harmonization work we have already done.
Regards,
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Spot Image, Web and E-Business
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De : Robin, Alexandre
Envoyé : jeudi 20 août 2009 10:01
À : 'Max Martinez'; Ben Domenico; Peter Baumann
Cc : Unidata Techies; Unidata GALEON; wcs-2.0.swg; 'Carl Reed'
Objet : RE: [WCS-2.0.swg] CF-netCDF standards initiatives
Ben,
I hope we don't have to define a NEW standard but rather work with you to see
how we can treat your use cases with SWE Common (which already incorporates
some NetCDF concepts and is VERY close to NcML).
I already looked at the issue and writing a converter (even the 'on the fly'
kind) between the two formats should be no problem at all.
Bringing legacy formats (be them pseudo-defacto standards of a community) into
OGC is NOT going to help interoperability across domains...
Regards,
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Alexandre Robin
Spot Image, Web and E-Business
Tel: +33 (0)5 62 19 43 62
Fax: +33 (0)5 62 19 43 43
http://www.spotimage.com
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De la part de Max Martinez
Envoyé : jeudi 20 août 2009 03:19
À : Ben Domenico; Peter Baumann
Cc : Unidata Techies; Unidata GALEON; wcs-2.0.swg
Objet : Re: [WCS-2.0.swg] CF-netCDF standards initiatives
Ben,
What exactly is an "OGC binary encoding standard"? Is CF-netCDF attempting to
be the first of its kind or are there other examples?
Max
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On Behalf Of Ben Domenico
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:19 PM
To: Peter Baumann
Cc: Unidata Techies; Unidata GALEON; wcs-2.0.swg
Subject: [WCS-2.0.swg] CF-netCDF standards initiatives
Hello,
Some confusion has resulted from the fact that we are pursuing two parallel
efforts at standardizing CF-netCDF within the OGC.
The first initiative began a few years ago. The goal is to establish CF-netCDF
as an extension standard for WCS encoding of data in binary form. Stefano
Nativi just sent out an email announcing the latest revision of the proposed
"discussion paper" on that topic. This will be discussed and hopefully voted
on at the September/October TC meeting.
At the same time, we have a new initiative to establish CF-netCDF as a separate
OGC binary encoding standard. This approach will result in a binary
encoding which can be used with different access protocols, e.g., WFS or SOS as
well as WCS. Of course, in the long run, our objective is to tie the two
approaches together, but we do not want to impede progress on either right now
by making them formally interdependent. A very rough draft of the core
standard for CF-netCDF is on the GALEON wiki at:
http://sites.google.com/site/galeonteam/Home/cf-netcdf-candidate-standard
As you can see, the draft for the OGC core is based on the NASA Earth Science
Data System standard (NASA ESDS-RFC-011v1.00). We hope to have this candidate
standard in the proper OGC template form by the September/October TC and will
have an ad-hoc session at which we plan to establish a SWG. Since there is
already a large community of practice, endorsement by other standards groups
(NASA and NOAA in the US), and solid reference implementations, we hope to move
forward quickly with this standard.
We would very much like to have as many liaisons as possible between the WCS
and CF-netCDF working groups to ensure that they are kept in harmony.
-- Ben
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